Antyrak
: 12 lis 2010, 10:02Antyrak
Polecam wszystkim inicjatywę Ewy. Ewa trzymam kciuki, żebyś miała dużo czasu i chęci.
Kurna! Tylko nie wylecz wszystkich bo nasze forum przeistoczy się w zakurzone archiwum jakieś.
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: 12 lis 2010, 10:02: 14 lis 2010, 03:01To jest wyśmienity pomysł. To była pierwsza książka jaką przeczytałem zaraz po diagnozie. To także ona pozwoliła mi ustać na nogach wówczas. Treści w niej zawarte potwierdziłem później czytając, m.in. Beliveau i Gingrasa.
Polecam wszystkim inicjatywę Ewy. Ewa trzymam kciuki, żebyś miała dużo czasu i chęci.
Kurna! Tylko nie wylecz wszystkich bo nasze forum przeistoczy się w zakurzone archiwum jakieś.
Polecam wszystkim inicjatywę Ewy. Ewa trzymam kciuki, żebyś miała dużo czasu i chęci.
Kurna! Tylko nie wylecz wszystkich bo nasze forum przeistoczy się w zakurzone archiwum jakieś.
: 14 lis 2010, 21:41ewaryn pisze:Będę dla osób, które nie czytały tej książki podawać najważniejsze rzeczy
Można tu książkę przeczytać ,nie musisz Ewa jej streszczać.
"Antyrak " D.Servan-Schreiber
http://z1.przeklej.pl/prze1948/8d0776f00025361d4c8f9b06/antyrak-nowy-styl-zycia-pdf
: 14 lis 2010, 23:44Anndyy, z pełnym szacunkiem, ale jeszcze kilka takich linków i będziemy zamykać forum. Nie chciał bym. O ile mi wiadomo wydawca nie zezwolił jeszcze na nieodpłatną publikację.
Oświeć mnie jeśli się mylę.
Oświeć mnie jeśli się mylę.
: 15 lis 2010, 10:45Jasne, że można skorzystać z faktu, że ktoś pofatygował się; skserował i zamieścił w Internecie. Zapewne nie ma też bezpośredniego zagrożenia dla naszego forum. Jednak dobrze mieć świadomość pochodzenia niektórych materiałów i tyle. Właściciele portalu z plikiem pewnie niedługo wylądują w sądzie. Chociaż w Polsce to chyba niekoniecznie... i wcale mi na tym nie zależy.
Przede wszystkim jednak liczyłem na ciekawe posty Ewy związane z tą książką. Jak każdy sobie przeczyta to postów nie będzie...
Przede wszystkim jednak liczyłem na ciekawe posty Ewy związane z tą książką. Jak każdy sobie przeczyta to postów nie będzie...
: 15 lis 2010, 11:18Skoro tak mówisz to koniecznie próbuj dalej i nie przerywaj. Przerywanie szkodzi... wszystkim.
: 15 lis 2010, 15:22Jako urodzony niedowiarek muszę się wtrącić.
Dla jasności sytuacji książkę "Antyrak" mam od dwóch lat. Przebrnąłem przez pierwsze 60 stron i z jakichś powodów
czytanie reszty odłożyłem na później. Kupiłem ją pod wpływem któregoś z forum, gdzie ją bardzo zachwalano.
A moje zastrzeżenia są takie:
Mam bardzo duży szacunek dla słowa pisanego, a książek w szczególności. Wyrosłem już jednak z wieku, w którym każda
książka jest prawdą objawioną. Nauczyłem się, że najbardziej wartościowe pozycje są wydawane przez poważne wydawnictwa.
Do praw autorskich tego dzieła przyznaje się tylko autor. W Polsce wydawcą jest też firma, której nigdy wcześniej nie poznałem (być może bardzo szacowna).
Nie wiem ile powstało książek na temat terapii Gersona. W Google to hasło wynajduje ponad 100 000 stron. Wydawało mi się, że
na tym forum o tej terapii mamy już wyrobione zdanie.
Ciągle nie potrafię zrozumieć dlaczego ludzie chorują i umierają na raka skoro wiedza o kuracjach i dietach jest tak powszechna.
Dlaczego nie słyszymy o procesach wobec lekarzy lub szpitali, które nie wdrażały konkretnych diet w procesie leczenia rakowców.
Pod tym względem mam wiarę w amerykańskich prawników, którzy nie odpuścili by takiej żyły złota! Przykładem mogą być
procesy o skutki palenia tytoniu.
Nie neguję wpływu diety na zdrowie człowieka! Nie neguję pozytywnego wpływu "zdrowego" trybu życia. Zaliczam je jednak do
metod profilaktycznych, które mogą (ale nie muszą!!) zmniejszyć prawdopodobieństwo zapadnięcia na poważną chorobę.
Np. 10% przypadków raka płuc dotyka osoby, które nigdy nie paliły tytoniu.
Twierdzę, że dobór diety może wspomóc leczenie, ale go nie zastąpi. Co więcej, nie przedłuży życia chorego na nowotwór (o ile
oczywiście nie rezygnuje ze standardowej terapii).
Pozdrawiam,
Mrakad
Dla jasności sytuacji książkę "Antyrak" mam od dwóch lat. Przebrnąłem przez pierwsze 60 stron i z jakichś powodów
czytanie reszty odłożyłem na później. Kupiłem ją pod wpływem któregoś z forum, gdzie ją bardzo zachwalano.
A moje zastrzeżenia są takie:
Mam bardzo duży szacunek dla słowa pisanego, a książek w szczególności. Wyrosłem już jednak z wieku, w którym każda
książka jest prawdą objawioną. Nauczyłem się, że najbardziej wartościowe pozycje są wydawane przez poważne wydawnictwa.
Do praw autorskich tego dzieła przyznaje się tylko autor. W Polsce wydawcą jest też firma, której nigdy wcześniej nie poznałem (być może bardzo szacowna).
Nie wiem ile powstało książek na temat terapii Gersona. W Google to hasło wynajduje ponad 100 000 stron. Wydawało mi się, że
na tym forum o tej terapii mamy już wyrobione zdanie.
Ciągle nie potrafię zrozumieć dlaczego ludzie chorują i umierają na raka skoro wiedza o kuracjach i dietach jest tak powszechna.
Dlaczego nie słyszymy o procesach wobec lekarzy lub szpitali, które nie wdrażały konkretnych diet w procesie leczenia rakowców.
Pod tym względem mam wiarę w amerykańskich prawników, którzy nie odpuścili by takiej żyły złota! Przykładem mogą być
procesy o skutki palenia tytoniu.
Nie neguję wpływu diety na zdrowie człowieka! Nie neguję pozytywnego wpływu "zdrowego" trybu życia. Zaliczam je jednak do
metod profilaktycznych, które mogą (ale nie muszą!!) zmniejszyć prawdopodobieństwo zapadnięcia na poważną chorobę.
Np. 10% przypadków raka płuc dotyka osoby, które nigdy nie paliły tytoniu.
Twierdzę, że dobór diety może wspomóc leczenie, ale go nie zastąpi. Co więcej, nie przedłuży życia chorego na nowotwór (o ile
oczywiście nie rezygnuje ze standardowej terapii).
Pozdrawiam,
Mrakad
: 15 lis 2010, 16:37Ewa!
Żywię dla Ciebie dozgonną wdzięczność za ujawnienie algorytmu budowania nicka.
Twój post tuż pod moim potraktowałem jako odpowiedź (błąd??).
Mam prośbę! Jeśli jednak zdecydujesz się odpowiedzieć na mój post to rób to
konkretnie, cytaty itd.
Pozdrawiam
Mrakad
Żywię dla Ciebie dozgonną wdzięczność za ujawnienie algorytmu budowania nicka.
Twój post tuż pod moim potraktowałem jako odpowiedź (błąd??).
Mam prośbę! Jeśli jednak zdecydujesz się odpowiedzieć na mój post to rób to
konkretnie, cytaty itd.
Pozdrawiam
Mrakad
: 20 lis 2010, 11:37Jako stary sceptyk goraco polecam leture ponizszej recenzji ksiazki Antyrak zamieszczonej w New York Times 2 lata temu.
Between Covers, an Anticancer Infomercial
By ABIGAIL ZUGER, M.D
Published: October 6, 2008
The famous name and the impeccable scientific credentials don?t hurt, but David Servan-Schreiber?s ?Anticancer? rides mostly on the sincerity of his pitch. It is worthy of the finest in nighttime television infomercials, where among all the financial advisers, kitchen gadget guys and acne specialists is one with a story so personal, heartfelt and sensible that you suddenly need exactly what he has to sell.
Not that Dr. Servan-Schreiber is peddling a product (other than his book). Rather, it is a way of life he wants you to buy into, a guide to staying cancer-free (or, if he has reached you too late, fighting off your cancer) by paying careful attention to what you eat and how you behave.
Like all the best pitchmen, he offers his own story of redemption as testament (he once was lost but now is found, was blind but now he sees). Son of the noted journalist and politician Jean-Jacques Servan-Schreiber, he left France for Montreal as a student, then went on to theUniversity of Pittsburgh. There he embarked on a research career in psychiatry and neuroscience, cruising the city on a motorcycle, a young intellectual on top of the world.
Then one day a research subject failed to show up for a scheduled M.R.I. scan, and Dr. Servan-Schreiber took his place in the scanner. Utterly by happenstance, the scan showed a walnut-size brain tumor.
Unnerved but undaunted, Dr. Servan-Schreiber underwent the recommended surgery and returned to his usual routines. His life remained a high-stress, low-exercise affair; lunch was a bowl of chili, a bagel and can of Coke. Five years later the tumor recurred, and in the course of enduring a second surgery and a round of chemotherapyhe saw the light: the red meat, white flour and soft drinks were going to help the cancer do him in. He had to detoxify his body.
Here his story segues smoothly into a lucid discussion of cancer immunobiology, in which the bad cells can be tamed by manipulations of their environment. And then we are in the kitchen, reviewing its contents from the specific perspective of cancer prevention.
This familiar terrain encompasses the antioxidants, the good fats, the whole grains and the green teas. There are the combinations essential to maintain (you must take your turmeric with pepper) and the ones to avoid (no milk with your dark chocolate). Cancer ?feeds on sugar? but supposedly not on agave nectar; on omega-6 trans fats but not the omega-3s. The blanket of body fat in the obese creates a giant repository of fat-soluble carcinogens.
We hear the story of Lenny, who adopted a diet heavy on cabbage, berries and dark chocolate, and survived pancreatic cancer for an impressive four and a half years. We meet vegetable-fed mice, who seem more active and curious and have slower-growingtumors than their chow-fed brothers. And Dr. Servan-Schreiber himself, of course, is still doing well at age 47 ? 14 years after his initial diagnosis.
For each of the foods on his anticancer shopping list there is a shred of scientific evidence ? usually from experiments done on cells in culture, sometimes from studies of mice with cancer, and occasionally from small studies on actual human beings. For none is there the kind of data that would support, say, the licensing of a new drug.
Extracts of garlic, onions and leeks, for instance, will demolish all kinds of cancer cells in a culture. Whether these vegetables are still active in the busy metropolis of the body, with thousands of cellular processes going on at once, is another question: once the leek is chewed, swallowed, demolished by intestinal enzymes and absorbed into the blood, how likely are its molecules to brush up against a cancer cell, let alone engage it in armed combat? No one knows.
Among the militant foodists, Dr. Servan-Schreiber is something of a moderate. He warns against rejecting standard medical treatments for food-based therapy, and admits that much is unknown about exactly how powerful his vegetables are.
He is less reserved in a discussion of ?the anticancer mind,? an enthusiastic re-creation of the archaic theory that a ?cancer personality? ? passive, saintly and repressed ? enables tumors to flourish, while self-actualization makes them recede. Susan Sontag, who spent much of her intellectual muscle arguing exactly the reverse, would have had a field day with this section.
Still, this book is destined to sell widely and will probably become a bible in some homes. This fact alone makes it worth considering, not so much for what it says as for the clarity with which it illuminates the need it so deftly fills.
It is that old primal need to gain some control over a random and malevolent universe, the one (as any toddler?s relatives can attest) often won on the battleground of food. The popularity of books like this one makes it clear that for many adults there are two such universes to contend with: the malevolence of illness and that of orthodox medicine, somehow now perceived as conjoined enemies of health.
So these folks find control by heading determinedly to the supermarket and the refrigerator and the stove, the support groups, the treadmills and the massage tables. When it comes to cancer, these comforts are unlikely to hurt much, but the evidence is still out for whether they help.
A version of this article appeared in print on October 7, 2008, on page D5 of the New York edition.
Anticancer: A New Way of Life
By David Servan-Schreiber, M.D. , Viking. 258 Pages. $25.95.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/07/health/07book.html
Between Covers, an Anticancer Infomercial
By ABIGAIL ZUGER, M.D
Published: October 6, 2008
The famous name and the impeccable scientific credentials don?t hurt, but David Servan-Schreiber?s ?Anticancer? rides mostly on the sincerity of his pitch. It is worthy of the finest in nighttime television infomercials, where among all the financial advisers, kitchen gadget guys and acne specialists is one with a story so personal, heartfelt and sensible that you suddenly need exactly what he has to sell.
Not that Dr. Servan-Schreiber is peddling a product (other than his book). Rather, it is a way of life he wants you to buy into, a guide to staying cancer-free (or, if he has reached you too late, fighting off your cancer) by paying careful attention to what you eat and how you behave.
Like all the best pitchmen, he offers his own story of redemption as testament (he once was lost but now is found, was blind but now he sees). Son of the noted journalist and politician Jean-Jacques Servan-Schreiber, he left France for Montreal as a student, then went on to theUniversity of Pittsburgh. There he embarked on a research career in psychiatry and neuroscience, cruising the city on a motorcycle, a young intellectual on top of the world.
Then one day a research subject failed to show up for a scheduled M.R.I. scan, and Dr. Servan-Schreiber took his place in the scanner. Utterly by happenstance, the scan showed a walnut-size brain tumor.
Unnerved but undaunted, Dr. Servan-Schreiber underwent the recommended surgery and returned to his usual routines. His life remained a high-stress, low-exercise affair; lunch was a bowl of chili, a bagel and can of Coke. Five years later the tumor recurred, and in the course of enduring a second surgery and a round of chemotherapyhe saw the light: the red meat, white flour and soft drinks were going to help the cancer do him in. He had to detoxify his body.
Here his story segues smoothly into a lucid discussion of cancer immunobiology, in which the bad cells can be tamed by manipulations of their environment. And then we are in the kitchen, reviewing its contents from the specific perspective of cancer prevention.
This familiar terrain encompasses the antioxidants, the good fats, the whole grains and the green teas. There are the combinations essential to maintain (you must take your turmeric with pepper) and the ones to avoid (no milk with your dark chocolate). Cancer ?feeds on sugar? but supposedly not on agave nectar; on omega-6 trans fats but not the omega-3s. The blanket of body fat in the obese creates a giant repository of fat-soluble carcinogens.
We hear the story of Lenny, who adopted a diet heavy on cabbage, berries and dark chocolate, and survived pancreatic cancer for an impressive four and a half years. We meet vegetable-fed mice, who seem more active and curious and have slower-growingtumors than their chow-fed brothers. And Dr. Servan-Schreiber himself, of course, is still doing well at age 47 ? 14 years after his initial diagnosis.
For each of the foods on his anticancer shopping list there is a shred of scientific evidence ? usually from experiments done on cells in culture, sometimes from studies of mice with cancer, and occasionally from small studies on actual human beings. For none is there the kind of data that would support, say, the licensing of a new drug.
Extracts of garlic, onions and leeks, for instance, will demolish all kinds of cancer cells in a culture. Whether these vegetables are still active in the busy metropolis of the body, with thousands of cellular processes going on at once, is another question: once the leek is chewed, swallowed, demolished by intestinal enzymes and absorbed into the blood, how likely are its molecules to brush up against a cancer cell, let alone engage it in armed combat? No one knows.
Among the militant foodists, Dr. Servan-Schreiber is something of a moderate. He warns against rejecting standard medical treatments for food-based therapy, and admits that much is unknown about exactly how powerful his vegetables are.
He is less reserved in a discussion of ?the anticancer mind,? an enthusiastic re-creation of the archaic theory that a ?cancer personality? ? passive, saintly and repressed ? enables tumors to flourish, while self-actualization makes them recede. Susan Sontag, who spent much of her intellectual muscle arguing exactly the reverse, would have had a field day with this section.
Still, this book is destined to sell widely and will probably become a bible in some homes. This fact alone makes it worth considering, not so much for what it says as for the clarity with which it illuminates the need it so deftly fills.
It is that old primal need to gain some control over a random and malevolent universe, the one (as any toddler?s relatives can attest) often won on the battleground of food. The popularity of books like this one makes it clear that for many adults there are two such universes to contend with: the malevolence of illness and that of orthodox medicine, somehow now perceived as conjoined enemies of health.
So these folks find control by heading determinedly to the supermarket and the refrigerator and the stove, the support groups, the treadmills and the massage tables. When it comes to cancer, these comforts are unlikely to hurt much, but the evidence is still out for whether they help.
A version of this article appeared in print on October 7, 2008, on page D5 of the New York edition.
Anticancer: A New Way of Life
By David Servan-Schreiber, M.D. , Viking. 258 Pages. $25.95.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/07/health/07book.html
: 20 lis 2010, 13:07Kocik, tego też nie rozumiem. Proszę o tłumaczenie. Thank you.
zosia bluszcz 1 pisze:Jako stary sceptyk goraco polecam leture ponizszej recenzji ksiazki Antyrak zamieszczonej w New York Times 2 lata temu.
Between Covers, an Anticancer Infomercial
By ABIGAIL ZUGER, M.D
Published: October 6, 2008
The famous name and the impeccable scientific credentials don?t hurt, but David Servan-Schreiber?s ?Anticancer? rides mostly on the sincerity of his pitch. It is worthy of the finest in nighttime television infomercials, where among all the financial advisers, kitchen gadget guys and acne specialists is one with a story so personal, heartfelt and sensible that you suddenly need exactly what he has to sell.
Not that Dr. Servan-Schreiber is peddling a product (other than his book). Rather, it is a way of life he wants you to buy into, a guide to staying cancer-free (or, if he has reached you too late, fighting off your cancer) by paying careful attention to what you eat and how you behave.
Like all the best pitchmen, he offers his own story of redemption as testament (he once was lost but now is found, was blind but now he sees). Son of the noted journalist and politician Jean-Jacques Servan-Schreiber, he left France for Montreal as a student, then went on to theUniversity of Pittsburgh. There he embarked on a research career in psychiatry and neuroscience, cruising the city on a motorcycle, a young intellectual on top of the world.
Then one day a research subject failed to show up for a scheduled M.R.I. scan, and Dr. Servan-Schreiber took his place in the scanner. Utterly by happenstance, the scan showed a walnut-size brain tumor.
Unnerved but undaunted, Dr. Servan-Schreiber underwent the recommended surgery and returned to his usual routines. His life remained a high-stress, low-exercise affair; lunch was a bowl of chili, a bagel and can of Coke. Five years later the tumor recurred, and in the course of enduring a second surgery and a round of chemotherapyhe saw the light: the red meat, white flour and soft drinks were going to help the cancer do him in. He had to detoxify his body.
Here his story segues smoothly into a lucid discussion of cancer immunobiology, in which the bad cells can be tamed by manipulations of their environment. And then we are in the kitchen, reviewing its contents from the specific perspective of cancer prevention.
This familiar terrain encompasses the antioxidants, the good fats, the whole grains and the green teas. There are the combinations essential to maintain (you must take your turmeric with pepper) and the ones to avoid (no milk with your dark chocolate). Cancer ?feeds on sugar? but supposedly not on agave nectar; on omega-6 trans fats but not the omega-3s. The blanket of body fat in the obese creates a giant repository of fat-soluble carcinogens.
We hear the story of Lenny, who adopted a diet heavy on cabbage, berries and dark chocolate, and survived pancreatic cancer for an impressive four and a half years. We meet vegetable-fed mice, who seem more active and curious and have slower-growingtumors than their chow-fed brothers. And Dr. Servan-Schreiber himself, of course, is still doing well at age 47 ? 14 years after his initial diagnosis.
For each of the foods on his anticancer shopping list there is a shred of scientific evidence ? usually from experiments done on cells in culture, sometimes from studies of mice with cancer, and occasionally from small studies on actual human beings. For none is there the kind of data that would support, say, the licensing of a new drug.
Extracts of garlic, onions and leeks, for instance, will demolish all kinds of cancer cells in a culture. Whether these vegetables are still active in the busy metropolis of the body, with thousands of cellular processes going on at once, is another question: once the leek is chewed, swallowed, demolished by intestinal enzymes and absorbed into the blood, how likely are its molecules to brush up against a cancer cell, let alone engage it in armed combat? No one knows.
Among the militant foodists, Dr. Servan-Schreiber is something of a moderate. He warns against rejecting standard medical treatments for food-based therapy, and admits that much is unknown about exactly how powerful his vegetables are.
He is less reserved in a discussion of ?the anticancer mind,? an enthusiastic re-creation of the archaic theory that a ?cancer personality? ? passive, saintly and repressed ? enables tumors to flourish, while self-actualization makes them recede. Susan Sontag, who spent much of her intellectual muscle arguing exactly the reverse, would have had a field day with this section.
Still, this book is destined to sell widely and will probably become a bible in some homes. This fact alone makes it worth considering, not so much for what it says as for the clarity with which it illuminates the need it so deftly fills.
It is that old primal need to gain some control over a random and malevolent universe, the one (as any toddler?s relatives can attest) often won on the battleground of food. The popularity of books like this one makes it clear that for many adults there are two such universes to contend with: the malevolence of illness and that of orthodox medicine, somehow now perceived as conjoined enemies of health.
So these folks find control by heading determinedly to the supermarket and the refrigerator and the stove, the support groups, the treadmills and the massage tables. When it comes to cancer, these comforts are unlikely to hurt much, but the evidence is still out for whether they help.
A version of this article appeared in print on October 7, 2008, on page D5 of the New York edition.
Anticancer: A New Way of Life
By David Servan-Schreiber, M.D. , Viking. 258 Pages. $25.95.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/07/health/07book.html
: 20 lis 2010, 13:19Lizak, nie zdajesz sobie sprawy ile czasu kosztuje przetumaczenie takiego tekstu. Jestesmy wdzieczni, ze Zosia nam to znalazla i nie wymagajmy od niej zeby jeszcze nam to tlumaczyla. Sproboj zainstalowac w swoim kompie Google tlumacza. Mam nadzieje ze duzo zrozumiesz.
Wlodek
Wlodek
: 20 lis 2010, 13:26wlobo135 pisze:Lizak, nie zdajesz sobie sprawy ile czasu kosztuje przetumaczenie takiego tekstu. Jestesmy wdzieczni, ze Zosia nam to znalazla i nie wymagajmy od niej zeby jeszcze nam to tlumaczyla. Sproboj zainstalowac w swoim kompie Google tlumacza. Mam nadzieje ze duzo zrozumiesz.
Wlodek
Wlodek, rozumiem i też doceniam poświęcenie Zosi. Natomiast Google Transator niewiele pomógł - niestety. Nie proszę, aby Zosia tłumaczyła cały artykuł. Chciałbym tylko, aby w paru słowach streściła jego tekst. Byłbym wdzięczny. Jestem Poakiem, nie rozumiem po angiesku, a też jestem zainteresowany. Tyle.
: 03 gru 2011, 03:58Autor "Antyraka", David Servan-Schreiber zmarl 24 lipca 2011.
: 03 gru 2011, 08:57zosia bluszcz pisze:Autor "Antyraka", David Servan-Schreiber zmarl 24 lipca 2011.
Zmarł w wieku 50 lat. Od prawie 20 lat zwalczał u siebie glejaka mózgu. Ludzie z pasją zawsze wnoszą "zamieszania" i jeżeli sami nie stają się odkrywcami, to ich idee stają się zalążkiem znaczących odkryć.W internecie można znaleźć sporo informacji o jego poczynaniach.
: 29 sie 2014, 05:27